Ty - I’m sorry :(

1 hour ago, Need to End said:

Thank you. It says anxiety that comes and goes. Mine is literally non stop 100% of the time.

At first non stop to some people like me and you. It will be comes and goes in some day be patient that all can we do ❤️

It’s been this way from day one for 2.5 yrs :(.

I’m holding so hopefully that will be a differentiating factor - otherwise if the last 2.5 yrs of this taper from 20mg to 1.3mg are any indication I’m not close to shaking this anxiety and fear. I did feel a small improvement last week very very small. But I think something was lighter maybe a fraction of a fraction.

3 hours ago, Need to End said:

I’m sorry

No need.

1 hour ago, Need to End said:

last 2.5 yrs of this taper from 20mg to 1.3mg are any indication I’m not close to shaking this anxiety and fear.

This is a very fast taper. Give your body time to catch up….it is dealing with change. Your body is dependent on this drug and it is reacting. Listen to your body…it isn’t happy and needs you to hold. You will get there.

Man it doesn’t feel fast taking that long to drop - I feel like I went slow but I guess not :(.

10 hours ago, LostinCanada said:

No need.

This is a very fast taper. Give your body time to catch up….it is dealing with change. Your body is dependent on this drug and it is reacting. Listen to your body…it isn’t happy and needs you to hold. You will get there.

So assuming his current hold brings him stabilization, as we all wish and hope for him, what taper rate would you suggest he do moving forward as he's allowing symptoms to lead? Would this be the 10% maximum reductions every 3-4 weeks as stated in Adele's taper rules on SA?

I'm also curious if your assessment of his taper rate as "very fast" is based on what he's reported more recently as to his condition and symptoms or after more fully analyzing his thread from the start, including his overall relationship with Prozac and Klonopin, as well as his struggles with chronic and significant life stressors.

45 minutes ago, Gaucho said:

what taper rate would you suggest he do moving forward as he's allowing symptoms to lead?

The body has to set the pace. Once this anxiety and other symptoms have seriously faded into the background, I would start at something like 2% just to test the body's reaction and adjust accordingly. If no symptoms, increase a bit. If bearable symptoms, stay at that rate. If unbearable, hold longer, etc

48 minutes ago, Gaucho said:

condition and symptoms

Symptoms have to level out before continuing a taper. Prozac has a long half life due to norfluoxetine.... symptoms can take 3 months to show from a drop, so holds are necessary so symptoms don't stack too much.

But right now, the hold is most important...the rest will come.

This is worrying me reading this - like will I actually get better holding? I can't take many more days of feeling so isolated, depressed, alone, old, anxious and scared - this would be so much more doable if I had a partner in life and I was younger. This is terrifying and Im afraid that this is just me under pressure and not the meds and every day that goes by confirms that. I am so scared. Day 43 of the hold.

3 hours ago, Need to End said:

This is worrying me reading this - like will I actually get better holding? I can't take many more days of feeling so isolated, depressed, alone, old, anxious and scared - this would be so much more doable if I had a partner in life and I was younger. This is terrifying and Im afraid that this is just me under pressure and not the meds and every day that goes by confirms that. I am so scared. Day 43 of the hold.

I don't know why this worries you. Holding works.... stability is more important than cessation. Being functional means listening to the body. This is how dependency works on these drugs. Your experience reads like most of us ... are there variables...yes....just read the FDA drug pamphlet for these drugs....they cause the very issues that they claim to "cute".

If at all possible, reach out to others on here...read their stories, give mutual support. Find others with similar symptoms. Helping others, helps us. ❤️🙏

1 hour ago, LostinCanada said:

cute

*cure

Ty. I know I probably come across as a take only person on here. My nature is to support others I find my self so damn scared all the time that my focus is so narrowed that I’m not very helpful for others and I know that I am sorry. I do care and want to help. I also don’t have anything good from this yet so I feel like I’m lying if I tell someone it gets better and I want to be genuine. It’s been 2.5 years of feeling like my life is over but I did want to address that I desire to be helpful and hate being selfish with my own fears and needs right now. I appreciate you all very much just having a hell of a time feeling like I’ll survive - again I am sorry and very thankful.

1 hour ago, Need to End said:

Ty. I know I probably come across as a take only person on here. My nature is to support others I find my self so damn scared all the time that my focus is so narrowed that I’m not very helpful for others and I know that I am sorry. I do care and want to help. I also don’t have anything good from this yet so I feel like I’m lying if I tell someone it gets better and I want to be genuine. It’s been 2.5 years of feeling like my life is over but I did want to address that I desire to be helpful and hate being selfish with my own fears and needs right now. I appreciate you all very much just having a hell of a time feeling like I’ll survive - again I am sorry and very thankful.

Please don’t take it as a criticism…we are all doing whatever it takes to survive. For myself, I found it super helpful to help others. It helped me distract and also made me lean into research so I could help others. That in turn helped me. But when I am struggling, I tend to go quiet and just cope.

One day at a time. ❤️🙏

I think klonopin has been causing issues for a while . Feel very drugged in morning. Dizzy and tired. Eyes are puffy and have black circles under them (never had prior to looping). Could I slowly cut some more of this out as I hold Prozac? I dropped from 1.0mg to .75mg 4 months ago in 2 separate drops. I feel like it’s adding to my problems and hate that I have to take it .

7 hours ago, Need to End said:

I think klonopin has been causing issues for a while . Feel very drugged in morning. Dizzy and tired. Eyes are puffy and have black circles under them (never had prior to looping). Could I slowly cut some more of this out as I hold Prozac? I dropped from 1.0mg to .75mg 4 months ago in 2 separate drops. I feel like it’s adding to my problems and hate that I have to take it .

Personally for me a hold needs to be a hold of all doses N2E. The brain needs a period of no changes to help. Holding one and tapering another isnt a hold.

Ok thank you that makes sense. I am getting really impatient and scared that Im not seeing changes in the depression and motivation and hope. In my mind ive been dealing with these things on a massive life changing scale for almost 3 years (since taper crash). Every day I feel like its just me now and that makes me feel like its over for me like my life is over which then brings on the desire or lack thereof to live because i can't feel how i used to and its been so long I know only how i used to be, i can't actually feel it or remember feeling it. I just have evidence because I have a house and a car and dogs and kids and i know what money i made - but I don't really believe I am or ever was that person at this point - its really making daily life near impossible. I need a break - but it doesn't feel like ones coming and I don't know what to do. Thinking of living like this forever is not an option. What do I do in this case?

1 hour ago, Need to End said:

Thinking of living like this forever is not an option. What do I do in this case?

That is not an option for any of us here and I don't believe it's a reality. There is not one person who has gotten off these drugs and healed, that didn't feel the way you are right now. Just because you think a thought doesn't make it a fact. Please listen to some positive resources like Angie Peacock, Mark Horowitz, Chris Paige, Anders Sorensen, about healing .

Read the success stories on SA.

Ok - is it normal to still be this depressed and hopeless at the beginning of a hold like I’m doing? I’m hopeful the hold will ease this but am scared every day so so much and have no energy am dizzy and just hopeless and depressed anxious fearful.

2 minutes ago, Need to End said:

Ok - is it normal to still be this depressed and hopeless at the beginning of a hold like I’m doing? I’m hopeful the hold will ease this but am scared every day so so much and have no energy am dizzy and just hopeless and depressed anxious fearful.

The only reason anyone holds is because they are a mess. If things were great then members would be tapering. And according to what you have wrote, this isn't something new but a couple years of feeling this way, add to that, you kept tapering so your symptoms have been stacking and your CNS hasn't gotten a break to just catch up and heal.

So yes very normal...give it time.

Ok - sorry just every day is so scary and I’m struggling with all of this. I can’t keep feeling this way. 3 years is too long :(.

25 minutes ago, Need to End said:

Ok - sorry just every day is so scary and I’m struggling with all of this. I can’t keep feeling this way. 3 years is too long :(.

I know it feels endless. I wish it was easier for us all. ❤️🙏💯