30 minutes ago, Richie said:

This week has been really bad. Like really bad, crazy si deep deep depression it’s hard to hold on at this point. Feel like I’ve got worse 

sorry @Richie  I feel you, hard to bear I know.

Waves and windows as Chippy wrote..

Hang in there, it will pass hopefully very soon.

https://youtu.be/F_DPpzH3z9U
 

think everyone should give this a watch even if you don’t have gut problems. Im starting to proper understand why everything happens in turn to withdrawal. People who have had a bad gut or slightly leaky prior to antidepressant use are more prone to withdrawal. Once the colon is compromised and the wall is exposed it can leak through producing lps which then gets into your blood stream causing a cascade of problems. Blurred vision sexual problems cognitive difficulties. The neurotransmitters are produced in the gut by the bacteria and then signal the vagus nerve to the brain. This explains depression and anhedonia aswell. This is how chronic illness begins and this also explains why a lot of people get better due to diet. It also explains why people have adverse reactions aswell and also why people are sensitive to medication in withdrawal. Windows and waves are explained aswell as this is the microbiome restoring some sort of balance and then getting knocked out again. It’s all down to inflammation in the colon not allowing the new bacteria to stick. The key to beating this is intermittent fasting so say 16 hours a day and eating for 8. This also explains why it takes so long to get better and why some people are stuck for even longer. People do bad with high histamine foods because the histamine bacteria in the gut is low/off balance which then sends the wrong signals to the brain. The gut is the first brain with the actual brain the second. I had a weeks long window 2 weeks ago and I ate healthy throughout the problem is I ate to much when then sent me back into a wave. I started looking into all this because I’ve started to get bad acne and once I started researching it all started to make sense. Restore the microbiome and we will be good to go. Get a gut microbiome test done and you will see why certain symptoms aline with certain bacteria. I have a bacteria overgrowth of prevotella 45 percent it’s linked to my blurred vision and acne. My hormonal bacteria are all gone/low which explains the dysfunction. It’s a hard road but it can be fixed 

Edited March 24Mar 24 by Richie

Just to throw it out there aswell I fasted all day yesterday and my dark depression has been completely gone today. 😊 

1 minute ago, Richie said:

Just to throw it out there aswell I fasted all day yesterday and my dark depression has been completely gone today. 😊 

There is no doubt that our guts and our brains are linked. I believe strongly a lot of ‘mental health’ issues we experience in this modern world are either partly caused or amplified by the poor quality of our diets. 

2 minutes ago, Chippy said:

There is no doubt that our guts and our brains are linked. I believe strongly a lot of ‘mental health’ issues we experience in this modern world are either partly caused or amplified by the poor quality of our diets. 

Hi @Chippy

 

i agree ive been looking into so much of this lately! Did you know they cured bipolar and autism by performing fmt transfers? It’s so crazy. 
 

hope your ok bud! I hope b is ok aswell I haven’t seen him online lately. 

14 minutes ago, Chippy said:

There is no doubt that our guts and our brains are linked. I believe strongly a lot of ‘mental health’ issues we experience in this modern world are either partly caused or amplified by the poor quality of our diets. 

Totally agree...

 

My wife for the longest was put on taroids meds.  Five years ago, she changed her diet and we started to eat better.  She recently had a taroids check and results came negative.  No taroids problem.

 

The doctor told her if she continues taking medication and unfortunately, she said yes, but she hasn't taken it for five to six years...

 

Now, go figure.....we should not be scared to tell the truth.  Yet, to avoid doctors, she also lied....

22 minutes ago, Raymond said:

Totally agree...

 

My wife for the longest was put on taroids meds.  Five years ago, she changed her diet and we started to eat better.  She recently had a taroids check and results came negative.  No taroids problem.

 

The doctor told her if she continues taking medication and unfortunately, she said yes, but she hasn't taken it for five to six years...

 

Now, go figure.....we should not be scared to tell the truth.  Yet, to avoid doctors, she also lied....

Just another example of the medical system letting us down. We unfortunately have to do our own research, listen to our bodies and take control of our own health. It’s for the best I think.

37 minutes ago, Richie said:

they

My wife and I always joke about ‘they’. We imagine it’s this big secret office building in an undisclosed location where ‘they’ do all this stuff we all talk about. 🤣

 

39 minutes ago, Richie said:

hope your ok bud! I hope b is ok aswell I haven’t seen him online lately. 

I’m ok mate. B is taking a break from the forum for the minute. In not sure when he will be back.

9 minutes ago, Chippy said:

Just another example of the medical system letting us down. We unfortunately have to do our own research, listen to our bodies and take control of our own health. It’s for the best I think.

Very sad how the system is corrupted everywhere.....

 

Now, I'm on survival mode and eating as best as I can.   The good thing is that since I started this journey, I am able to eat anything.  Good sign my system is not that bad or sensitive as many other people I guess.

2 minutes ago, Raymond said:

Very sad how the system is corrupted everywhere.....

 

Now, I'm on survival mode and eating as best as I can.   The good thing is that since I started this journey, I am able to eat anything.  Good sign my system is not that bad or sensitive as many other people I guess.

 Very good sign. 
 

I think the silver lining, if that’s even the right way to look at it, is we are all gaining very positive skills and habits that will help us long after our recovery/tapers are over. 

day 3 of intermittent fasting 

 

mental health has massively improved. Waking up feeling pretty good tbh. 
Acne is nearly gone.

Im eating from 2 in the afternoon till 6 

If anyone wants to try this approach. 

2 hours ago, Richie said:

day 3 of intermittent fasting 

 

mental health has massively improved. Waking up feeling pretty good tbh. 
Acne is nearly gone.

Im eating from 2 in the afternoon till 6 

If anyone wants to try this approach. 

intermittent fasting is known to have a bunch of health benefits.

if it helps you out, that's very good.

I'm glad to hear you feel better.

27 minutes ago, Lighty said:

intermittent fasting is known to have a bunch of health benefits.

if it helps you out, that's very good.

I'm glad to hear you feel better.

Hi @Lighty

 

hope your keeping well.

 

have you tried this approach? 

4 minutes ago, Richie said:

hope your keeping well.

I am doing relatively well lately, thank you for asking.

4 minutes ago, Richie said:

have you tried this approach? 

Not to the extent that you have and not in the time i been dealing with a sensitive nervous system.

I was more so talking in a general sense of overall health.

There are people that find certain diets regimes helpful, your body might have more time to heal itself and focus less on digestion during the fasting hours, but this is more theoretical and different people can have different reactions.

Hi @Richie. I understand that you eat between 14 h and 18 h. I suppose that between that time you drink a lot of water? How many days like this? 

@RichieI am so pleased you have found something that helps you keto or carnivore diet has been beneficial for a lot of people in withdrawal as well as the intermittent fasting you are doing .Unfortunately Intermittent fasting isnt for everyone in withdrawal as it can have a big effect on some peoples blood sugar levels and can become hypoglycemic if that's the right one and will get the shakes . Again fantastic its working for you so pleased 

24 minutes ago, skamen said:

Hi @Richie. I understand that you eat between 14 h and 18 h. I suppose that between that time you drink a lot of water? How many days like this? 

Hi @skamen

 

i basically fast for 20 hours a day, so I eat my first meal at 2 in the afternoon mostly walnuts, blackberry’s, blueberry’s,raspberries with some salad with lemon juice over it with 3-4 eggs two with yolk the other two just egg white. With some cress on the egg. I drink water throughout the day sometimes add abit of salt to keep the electrolytes up. For dinner at 6 I have 2 Chicken thighs with basil and plant seasonings, with broccoli cauliflower courgettes spinach. It has done wonders for me so far. There is defo something in all this as I have seen so many people heal from going keto, carnivore. @Toast went keto towards the end of her withdrawal and it completely wiped her depression away. Transmitters are made in the gut which then signal the vagus nerve to produce in the brain it all starts there. I have been doing this for 3 days so far and I feel great Im not fully recovered but no depression acne is gone blurred vision is gone and I have much more motivation and energy.

17 minutes ago, Beehive said:

@RichieI am so pleased you have found something that helps you keto or carnivore diet has been beneficial for a lot of people in withdrawal as well as the intermittent fasting you are doing .Unfortunately Intermittent fasting isnt for everyone in withdrawal as it can have a big effect on some peoples blood sugar levels and can become hypoglycemic if that's the right one and will get the shakes . Again fantastic its working for you so pleased 

ahh I understand @Beehive hopefully there is a way people can implement this while keeping there blood sugar stable. I have a book called super gut and it explains a lot about chronic illness from diet alone and how it can all be treated. A lot of it stems from the colon once the walls get damaged they leak out LPs which is a endo toxin and it can cause chaos in the body. The reason for the fast is to allow this to heal and close so the endo toxins can leave the body through stools and not into your blood stream. 

Thank you so much, @Richie. I am now in acute stage after 6 days at 0 mg. I will wait for some stabilization and will follow your example.

Yes leaky gut I am a strong believer in all of this as they say food is medicine and fasting gives the body time to regenerate and heal itself . Sorry just being boring lol and pointing out the pitfalls for some people 😁 I used to do 16 : 8 so I don't eat for 16 hours but found in severe withdrawal I had to eat a bit more to keep blood sugar level stable . When I'm.more stable I will definitely go back to it . Some people do well on plant based diet a book called the plant paradox some do well on keto and some do well on carnivore I suppose its experimenting and so what helps as its definitely not one size fits all . Keep going I think this is right for you .

11 minutes ago, Beehive said:

Yes leaky gut I am a strong believer in all of this as they say food is medicine and fasting gives the body time to regenerate and heal itself . Sorry just being boring lol and pointing out the pitfalls for some people 😁 I used to do 16 : 8 so I don't eat for 16 hours but found in severe withdrawal I had to eat a bit more to keep blood sugar level stable . When I'm.more stable I will definitely go back to it . Some people do well on plant based diet a book called the plant paradox some do well on keto and some do well on carnivore I suppose its experimenting and so what helps as its definitely not one size fits all . Keep going I think this is right for you .

I have heard of the plant paradox Im going to buy this and have a read 👌

hope stability comes for you soon

 

👊👌🙏

13 minutes ago, skamen said:

Thank you so much, @Richie. I am now in acute stage after 6 days at 0 mg. I will wait for some stabilization and will follow your example.

Oh wow @skamen finally of the poison 👊 I hope stability comes your way soon. 

Thank you @Richieso do i ...being boring again 😄 some people cant do full plant based as a lot of the food has oxalates and some people are sensitive to that ..right no more boring stuff 😁 

1 minute ago, Beehive said:

Thank you @Richieso do i ...being boring again 😄 some people cant do full plant based as a lot of the food has oxalates and some people are sensitive to that ..right no more boring stuff 😁 

Im in this predicament myself I can’t do a full plant base as ive got a prevotella overgrowth it loves all the bad carbs and it loves fibre aswell so ive gotta be picky with the veg and how much I eat. It’s never boring aswell it’s health knowledge and so beneficial for us all in the future 😀 

Edited March 25Mar 25 by Richie

Day 5 of intermittent fasting eating from 2-6 

All symptoms have massively improved all I have at the moment is slightly lower libido and slight anhedonia in the background. 😊