6 minutes ago, Some0n3 said:

making a quick little post here as ive been taking melatonin now for a while and it helps me sleep but today i found a melatonin that also contains l-theanine and magnesium along with B vitamin. i think it was B6? anyways im wondering if it would be safe to try something like this or not and also wondering if l-theanine or magnesium has any withdrawal effect potential if stopped abruptly? i find myself really drowsy in the mornings and that can last for quite a while so im wondering if this would make my sleep better possibly? im also aware that my drowsiness is probobaly caused by a combination of being in withdrawal, the ssri and overall stress. along with possibly the melatonin since the one i take is long lasting so i can be sure that its gonna affect for a long time.

In general, I would prefer to always have a supplement that is only one nutrient and not multiple of nutrients, cause then you don't know which one you reacted badly to, if you reacted badly to any of them.

You will have to try them each on their own to see if you react well or not.

There are people who react badly to vitamins like B6 and other B vitamins due to them being activating.

There are people who find magnesium helpful to calming down the nervous system.

6 minutes ago, Lighty said:

In general, I would prefer to always have a supplement that is only one nutrient and not multiple of nutrients, cause then you don't know which one you reacted badly to, if you reacted badly to any of them.

You will have to try them each on their own to see if you react well or not.

There are people who react badly to vitamins like B6 and other B vitamins due to them being activating.

There are people who find magnesium helpful to calming down the nervous system.

good call. maybe i should try them individually first. id assume that most only take magnesium glycinate and not the other variants?

1 hour ago, Some0n3 said:

id assume that most only take magnesium glycinate and not the other variants?

It is a form that is highly absorbable, as well as considered best for relaxation and sleep, I seen it be the most recommended form in these forums, but there are some people who take different forms. Again you will have to see on yourself how it works out on you.

12 minutes ago, Lighty said:

It is a form that is highly absorbable, as well as considered best for relaxation and sleep, I seen it be the most recommended form in these forums, but there are some people who take different forms. Again you will have to see on yourself how it works out on you.

good to know. thanks!

@Some0n3

If you want to try other supplements I’d suggest taking them as separate tablets so you try one at a time, at much lower doses than you get off the shelf, and increasing over time. Generally we recommend to get everything from food. Magnesium and fish oil is all we suggest on here, but low and slow and one at a time still.

Same with melatonin. What dose are you at the moment? It might be a tag high for you.

8 hours ago, Chippy said:

@Some0n3

If you want to try other supplements I’d suggest taking them as separate tablets so you try one at a time, at much lower doses than you get off the shelf, and increasing over time. Generally we recommend to get everything from food. Magnesium and fish oil is all we suggest on here, but low and slow and one at a time still.

Same with melatonin. What dose are you at the moment? It might be a tag high for you.

good to know about the seperate tablet thing. for the melatonin, im on 2mgs i think.

Edited May 9May 9 by Some0n3

18 minutes ago, Some0n3 said:

good to know about the seperate tablet thing. for the melatonin, im on 2mgs i think.

Ok. That might be a tad high. It’s best to start on a low dose and work up. Normally 0.25mg. Perhaps try to tweak it down a little and see if it helps. You want to taper it anyway when you decide to stop it.

49 minutes ago, Chippy said:

Ok. That might be a tad high. It’s best to start on a low dose and work up. Normally 0.25mg. Perhaps try to tweak it down a little and see if it helps. You want to taper it anyway when you decide to stop it.

yeah i could try to maybe split it in half. although i dont have a scale so i might not get an accurate measurment

Just now, Some0n3 said:

yeah i could try to maybe split it in half. although i dont have a scale so i might not get an accurate measurment

Might be a bit too much in one drop IMO, Id grab some scales and then just remove 0.25mgai off and see if you notice if you are a bit better with the groggy feeling. Too much Melatonin can have some paradoxical effects and make people anxious, not sure if that is the case with you as you feel groggy, but I think it would be good to reduce it and see if you feel the benefit.

19 minutes ago, Chippy said:

Might be a bit too much in one drop IMO, Id grab some scales and then just remove 0.25mgai off and see if you notice if you are a bit better with the groggy feeling. Too much Melatonin can have some paradoxical effects and make people anxious, not sure if that is the case with you as you feel groggy, but I think it would be good to reduce it and see if you feel the benefit.

yeah that could be the way to go. might also be good practice before i start tapering the escitalopram in the future! ill look into scales when i get the money to be able to buy one. is there a reason that one needs to taper off melatonin? is it to prevent insomnia or something else?

Edited May 9May 9 by Some0n3

1 minute ago, Some0n3 said:

yeah that could be the way to go. might also be good practice before i start tapering the escitalopram in the future! ill look into scales when i get the money to be able to buy one. is there a reason that one needs to taper off melatonin? is it to prevent insomnia or something else?

The Gem-20 scales are pretty affordable and worth the money, there are better ones if you want to splash out.

Mainly rebound insomnia, but with all these things the nervous system doesn't like sudden shifts, so better to reduce more cautiously. Not like an AD, but just ease it down rather than jump the dose about. And ease it down to zero over a period of time when you come to stop.

Just now, Chippy said:

The Gem-20 scales are pretty affordable and worth the money, there are better ones if you want to splash out.

Mainly rebound insomnia, but with all these things the nervous system doesn't like sudden shifts, so better to reduce more cautiously. Not like an AD, but just ease it down rather than jump the dose about. And ease it down to zero over a period of time when you come to stop.

alright thats totally fair! ive taken a look at the gem-20 in the past and it seems affordable atleast. can i do the whole AD taper with a gem 20 or does one need to buy a more expensive one as they get into lower doses?

10 minutes ago, Some0n3 said:

alright thats totally fair! ive taken a look at the gem-20 in the past and it seems affordable atleast. can i do the whole AD taper with a gem 20 or does one need to buy a more expensive one as they get into lower doses?

You can do a lot of the taper on one. It gets to the point where cutting isn’t accurate enough. I’d buy the better scales because of reliability rather than the fact they go to 0.0000g. It’s hard to measure something to that level. I think liquid is the way to go at some point. The gem-20 does have reliability issues. I have a set and they are fine. So perhaps it’s hit and miss. I think for the money it’s worth getting a set. Perfect for cutting the Melatonin.

13 minutes ago, Chippy said:

You can do a lot of the taper on one. It gets to the point where cutting isn’t accurate enough. I’d buy the better scales because of reliability rather than the fact they go to 0.0000g. It’s hard to measure something to that level. I think liquid is the way to go at some point. The gem-20 does have reliability issues. I have a set and they are fine. So perhaps it’s hit and miss. I think for the money it’s worth getting a set. Perfect for cutting the Melatonin.

good to know. should i buy just one or multiple? especially for the gem-20 if it has reliability issues. and how much would a better scale cost approximately? i might invest in a gem at first and if i get issues with it, id be willing to fork some more on a better one as long as it isnt like super expensive.

Just now, Some0n3 said:

good to know. should i buy just one or multiple? especially for the gem-20 if it has reliability issues. and how much would a better scale cost approximately? i might invest in a gem at first and if i get issues with it, id be willing to fork some more on a better one as long as it isnt like super expensive.

I’d just get one. If it seems ok run with it. If it isn’t right send it back.

It would be good for being economical when making a liquid too. You can weigh half a tablet or a set amount of powder and not waste a whole pill making a batch up. Or risk storing the liquid too long. Gives you options having a scale. Even if you go the liquid route for the whole taper.

Have a look in the diy liquids guide. There are suggest models of more expensive scales.

5 minutes ago, Chippy said:

I’d just get one. If it seems ok run with it. If it isn’t right send it back.

It would be good for being economical when making a liquid too. You can weigh half a tablet or a set amount of powder and not waste a whole pill making a batch up. Or risk storing the liquid too long. Gives you options having a scale. Even if you go the liquid route for the whole taper.

Have a look in the diy liquids guide. There are suggest models of more expensive scales.

thank you Chippy. much appriciated! ill try to keep all of this in mind when i eventually decide to get one.

9 minutes ago, Some0n3 said:

thank you Chippy. much appriciated! ill try to keep all of this in mind when i eventually decide to get one.

Pleasure mate.

1 hour ago, Some0n3 said:

thank you for the wishes! about the same for me with the symptoms of the brain fog and feeling detached from everything but atleast the anxiety hasnt been bad so ill take the good with the bad. also havent had proper panic attacks in quite a while compared to the end of 2024 when i had them really frequently. most of my days seem to pretty much blend together and weeks feel so incredibly short as my mind aimlessly drifts through the days but ive managed to be outside of the house during certain days when going to the gym or just hanging out with friends for a bit which i find helps in dealing with all of this. although doing these things does exhaust me quite a bit energy wise but doing them is so worth it!

You’re doing great. I can hear the positive vibes in your post. Yes you’re having difficulty but you are able to still mobilise a great attitude, whilst using coping skills such as distraction to help get through the day. Great work! 👌👊

12 minutes ago, Chippy said:

You’re doing great. I can hear the positive vibes in your post. Yes you’re having difficulty but you are able to still mobilise a great attitude, whilst using coping skills such as distraction to help get through the day. Great work! 👌👊

thank you! always love to see your support! i do have days where i seem to sink into a sad pit, wallowing in despair but i think that it is natural and i just let those moments happen because bottling them up only serves to hinder me further i feel like. its a bit funny to think about how all of these coping skills i have acquired now wouldve probobaly been enough to never start these medications in the first place but better late than never haha.

Edited May 13May 13 by Some0n3

@Chippy oh and one more thing. i dont know if you have a thread of your own on this website so just wanted to offer my best wishes to you as well and every other member of this supportive community. you are truly one of the kindest people that ive had the pleasure of talking to and everything youve given to this community has been absolutely beautiful.

4 minutes ago, Some0n3 said:

thank you! always love to see your support!

Absolute pleasure.

4 minutes ago, Some0n3 said:

do have days where i seem to sink into a sad pit, wallowing in despair but i think that it is natural and i just let those moments happen because bottling them up only serves to hinder me further i feel like.

We all do. Acceptance is a continuous practice and not a destination, as are most coping skills tbh. It’s not about always doing everything correctly all of the time, it recognising that you’ve gone off course and correcting direction without guilt or shame.

6 minutes ago, Some0n3 said:

its a bit funny to think about how all of these coping skills i have acquired now wouldve probobaly been enough to never start these medications in the first place but better late than never haha.

I do always think and often say this! Hindsight 20/20!

4 minutes ago, Some0n3 said:

dont know if you have a thread of your own on this website so just wanted to offer my best wishes to you as well and every other member of this supportive community

I do. I don’t update it that much atm.

https://antidepressantrecovery.org/topic/6-chippy-short-term-use-of-mirtazapine-wd-after-ct/

5 minutes ago, Some0n3 said:

you are truly one of the kindest people that ive had the pleasure of talking to and everything youve given to this community has been absolutely beautiful.

ah shucks you’re making me blush ☺️ I feel very honoured and proud to know all of you. I sometimes think the site is like a sieve and it catches all the good ones! Wish it wasn’t under such circumstances.

I'm not sure, what I can say is that I've tried all of those things except melatonin and none of them did anything.

I would suggest, if you do want to introduce new things and try them, to add them individually rather than taking a combination of multiple substances all at once. This is what was recommended on SA.

Personally, I've found that supplements neither harm nor help me, but others seem to be quite sensitive.

Hey @Some0n3 not sure if I comment here before but regardless wanted to thank you for your kind wishes on my thread the other day and to send you some kindness back, I hope you're doing relatively well today!

best wishes 🙏

15 minutes ago, Fullhealing said:

Hey @Some0n3 not sure if I comment here before but regardless wanted to thank you for your kind wishes on my thread the other day and to send you some kindness back, I hope you're doing relatively well today!

best wishes 🙏

thank you for the support! it means alot to me and its always nice hearing from you. my day has been pretty alright. aside from the consistent symptoms, i havent had any big flare ups or stuff like that today and my mindset has been more on the positive side i feel like. hope your day has gone fairly smoothly!

Edited May 15May 15 by Some0n3

6 minutes ago, Some0n3 said:

thank you for the support! it means alot to me and its always nice hearing from you. my day has been pretty alright. aside from the consistent symptoms, i havent had any big flare ups or stuff like that today and my mindset has been more on the positive side i feel like. hope your day has gone fairly smoothly!

Lovely to hear @Some0n3 we are both on the relatively good side today, yay! I had pretty awful days before so im very grateful for some relief, let's just hope it stretches as much as possible.

Take good care and stay well ✨

Edited May 15May 15 by Fullhealing