Just now, EDP6893 said:

2 minutes ago, Chippy said:

 

Because it was going to happen eventually and the prozac just delayed its withdrawal by many months?

Correct

 

1 minute ago, EDP6893 said:

It's taken control of my life.

Awful. I’m really sorry. This is the hardest thing I think anyone can go through. Only those who have to deal with it understand. But you’ve got it. 

Am I just lying to myself saying it will eventually get better?

1 minute ago, Chippy said:

Awful. I’m really sorry. This is the hardest thing I think anyone can go through. Only those who have to deal with it understand. But you’ve got it. 

At the same time as this I am binge eating constantly and I cannot overcome my addiction to fast food. my weight keeps getting worse and I will probably die soon. It's impossible to overcome this.

1 minute ago, EDP6893 said:

Am I just lying to myself saying it will eventually get better?

Most definitely not!

2 minutes ago, Chippy said:

Most definitely not!

I just wish I would get better already. I can't believe this withdrawal has lasted so long. And there's no end in sight. No proof I am feeling better. 

I was only getting this worse pain (where I have to go to the toilet all the time, not just simply hurting a lot) a few days every other month. So if it keeps appearing anymore this month then that's regression compared to before. Doesn't that prove I am not getting better and I never will?

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6 minutes ago, Lighty said:

If you can't go outside today that's fine, you will go outside when you want to and can go outside.

Thanks.

How does everyone else not fall into despair? When there's no signs of recovery for over a year?

6 minutes ago, EDP6893 said:

Doesn't that prove I am not getting better and I never will?

Worsening unfortunately isn’t uncommon. It certainly doesn’t mean you won’t get better.

Just now, Chippy said:

Worsening unfortunately isn’t uncommon. It certainly doesn’t mean you won’t get better.

I'll try to believe you even though my brain is constantly telling me nothing will ever get better.

I really appreciate everyone trying to help me. I wish we didn't have to rely on niche forums and mainstream science recognized our suffering.

How long have you been dealing with your withdrawal?

4 minutes ago, EDP6893 said:

How does everyone else not fall into despair? When there's no signs of recovery for over a year?

cause we accept the symptoms and accept our situation and we can see the slow way out, and that it's temporary and 'just symptoms'.

You haven't reached acceptance yet, it took me a year to reach acceptance, it's not easy, you have to do mental work in your head and work on your mindset.

some people moan that 'oh no my life is over' for years until the withdrawal is over. you have to accept, if you accept, the time goes fast and easier, if you don't, you will suffer and 1 day could feel like a year, you choose to suffer or to accept on some level.

4 minutes ago, Lighty said:

cause we accept the symptoms and accept our situation and we can see the slow way out, and that it's temporary and 'just symptoms'.

You haven't reached acceptance yet, it took me a year to reach acceptance, it's not easy, you have to do mental work in your head and work on your mindset.

some people moan that 'oh no my life is over' for years until the withdrawal is over. you have to accept, if you accept, the time goes fast and easier, if you don't, you will suffer and 1 day could feel like a year, you choose to suffer or to accept on some level.

How can I accept all this severe pain though? There's so many things I want to do in my life and everything is stopped because of the withdrawal, and other health issues. 

How did you change your mindset?

Don't you ever worry it will last forever?

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2 minutes ago, EDP6893 said:

There's so many things I want to do in my life and everything is stopped because of the withdrawal, and other health issues. 

the problem is you desire things you cannot achieve at the moment, that's why you are so miserable, if you will stop desiring things that are impossible, and will start accepting whatever you can, for example, if all you want to do is to lay in bed and watch tv, you will not suffer cause you don't desire impossible at the moment things.

it's not that you are not allowed to want to do things, but the burning desire is what killing you on the inside, just buddhism 101, desire is the enemy of peace.

9 minutes ago, EDP6893 said:

I'll try to believe you even though my brain is constantly telling me nothing will ever get better.

Good. You should. Wave brain likes to lie to us. 
 

9 minutes ago, EDP6893 said:

really appreciate everyone trying to help me. I wish we didn't have to rely on niche forums and mainstream science recognized our suffering.

I know. It’s so wrong isn’t it. We’re all here for each other in the awful journey.  
 

10 minutes ago, EDP6893 said:

How long have you been dealing with your withdrawal?

2 years now. 

1 minute ago, Chippy said:

2 years now. 

Did your waves ever last a really long time and did it feel like they would never get better for you too?

5 minutes ago, Lighty said:

the problem is you desire things you cannot achieve at the moment, that's why you are so miserable, if you will stop desiring things that are impossible, and will start accepting whatever you can, for example, if all you want to do is to lay in bed and watch tv, you will not suffer cause you don't desire impossible at the moment things.

it's not that you are not allowed to want to do things, but the burning desire is what killing you on the inside, just buddhism 101, desire is the enemy of peace.

Should I give up trying to lose weight at the moment? It does feel impossible. I don't want to give up trying to eat healthier, but it feels impossible to even reduce my take away addiction currently.

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@EDP6893

I think it would benefit you to learn about Buddhism and start practicing it,

There are litterly monks that have gotten in prison and didn't care, they had the mindset of 'i don't need anything, I got a bed, I got food, I can meditate, this is everything I need`
there are many situations where if you don't have the right mindset you lose your mind, but if you do get the right one, you will move through the time.

you are trying to resist your path, the moment you resist your life path, that's when you get into full blown suffering, if you accept the roads you got in life, you just ride the road and the time passes fast. 

I got nothing more to tell to you, it's up to you to comprehend and work on yourself, I have told you everything I can.

2 minutes ago, EDP6893 said:

Did your waves ever last a really long time and did it feel like they would never get better for you too?

I have days where I wonder when it will all end too. It can feel endless that is for sure. But I trust my body has got this. And I’ve seen how long others have taken. Slowly we will improve. I’ve learned acceptance and not resisting has been fundamental to dealing with the discomfort. It lessens it. I have quite nasty burning head daily almost. Its better some days like today and worse on others. But acceptance has found me some peace and dialled the suffering back. 

2 minutes ago, EDP6893 said:

hould I give up trying to lose weight at the moment? It does feel impossible.

again just a mindset thing, you could do intermittent fasting and eat only one time a day, and you will lose weight, you just got to eat the good food, and once a day eat a nice small treat, and have the rest of your food be decently healthy, and you will lose weight.

48 minutes ago, EDP6893 said:

I read online ages ago that prozac can make your eyes drier, and I have been getting the same vision issues on it as I had with effexor. And the sleepless nights make it worse.

Dry eyes and blurry vision are probably not caused by the drug, but are likely a withdrawal symptom. I am 6 months off Atomoxetine, and get this symptom quite badly.  Both high dose Venlafaxine and Atomoxetine have short half lives of around 5 hours and high levels of noradrenergic action. I do wonder if this is still part of Effexor withdrawal for you.

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8 minutes ago, Lighty said:

again just a mindset thing, you could do intermittent fasting and eat only one time a day, and you will lose weight, you just got to eat the good food, and once a day eat a nice small treat, and have the rest of your food be decently healthy, and you will lose weight.

I know you're trying to help me but I don't believe this is true. I use food as a coping mechanism and I've been suffering from this for over a decade. I don't believe it is a mindset issue in this case.

Just now, Sminismoni said:

Dry eyes and blurry vision are probably not caused by the drug, but are likely a withdrawal symptom. I am 6 months off Atomoxetine, and get this symptom quite badly. 

It's possible it's withdrawal but it doesn't have any windows and waves for me. Even the genital burning pains aren't here on some days. The vision issues and painful eyes started when I took effexor in 2022, and continued with the prozac.

11 minutes ago, Chippy said:

I have days where I wonder when it will all end too. It can feel endless that is for sure. But I trust my body has got this. And I’ve seen how long others have taken. Slowly we will improve. I’ve learned acceptance and not resisting has been fundamental to dealing with the discomfort. It lessens it. I have quite nasty burning head daily almost. Its better some days like today and worse on others. But acceptance has found me some peace and dialled the suffering back. 

I'll try not to resist it. I think in order to accept this life I have to accept that some days I won't be able to do anything, no matter how much I "need" to do other things like go for a walk, groceries, doctor's appointments...sometimes it might go on for weeks.

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1 minute ago, EDP6893 said:

I know you're trying to help me but I don't believe this is true. I use food as a coping mechanism and I've been suffering from this for over a decade. I don't believe it is a mindset issue in this case.

there are a million coping methods, food is just one, Im not saying it takes 1 day to change your mindset, but you can go through a process of slowly changing things, new coping methods, slowly making your food healthier, practicing intermittent fasting, it's not a one day thingy.

1 minute ago, Lighty said:

there are a million coping methods, food is just one, Im not saying it takes 1 day to change your mindset, but you can go through a process of slowly changing things, new coping methods, slowly making your food healthier, practicing intermittent fasting, it's not a one day thingy.

For me there is not a million coping methods. I will definitely keep trying new foods and finding things I can use instead of the take aways to cope. But my options are very limited.

2 minutes ago, EDP6893 said:

But my options are very limited.

you can meditate, you can go outside when you can, you can watch tv, you can walk, you can wash your face with cold water, you can tell yourself affirmations, focus on a different topic, etc etc etc.