2 hours ago, Beehive said:

I'm starting to believe for some including myself that's been through hardship for quite a few years losses etc that it's not just withdrawal per se ,as we lower, our trapped emotions are starting to work their way out ,we carry on normally and distract putting them away...with withdrawal that's not always easy it makes us have to face these emotions and I believe we should we should feel them and release them 🙏

I think that’s true @Beehive . I’m grappling with fear and grief at the moment 🧡

Lovely @Chippy I wonder if there is any info/videos here about neuroemotions? I couldn't find any in the search, thanks 🙏

Hello @Fullhealing . I hope things are improving for you. Sending you hugs!

18 minutes ago, Fullhealing said:

Lovely @Chippy I wonder if there is any info/videos here about neuroemotions? I couldn't find any in the search, thanks 🙏

Nothing specific that I can think of.

Would make a good post though.

Xxx

17 minutes ago, Raymond said:

Hello @Fullhealing . I hope things are improving for you. Sending you hugs!

Thank you @Raymond very brutal honestly, earlier I also started having a physical flare-up with a burning sensation, heart palpitations and terror, I haven't had these flare-ups in almost 3 weeks, so this along with the mental one is clearly a chemical explosion which it's hard to bear.. time, I know.. and more.

So glad things are going smoothly for you so far, may it stays.

Edited April 24Apr 24 by Fullhealing

11 minutes ago, Chippy said:

Nothing specific that I can think of.

Would make a good post though.

Xxx

Ok thanks @Chippy I see that a lot gets lost between neuroemotions and natural emotions, including me a lot of times, so this could be an interesting and important topic to open up.

2 minutes ago, Fullhealing said:

Ok thanks @Chippy I see that a lot gets lost between neuroemotions and natural emotions, including me a lot of times, so this could be an interesting and important topic to open up.

I think so.

For what it is worth. What you are going through is 100% neuro emotions! Xxx

11 minutes ago, Chippy said:

I think so.

For what it is worth. What you are going through is 100% neuro emotions! Xxx

Thank you very much for saying this @Chippy that's why it should to be a topic as there are those who, without intending of course, will throw the current situation into unrelated areas which could do more harm than good which btw happens to often with therapists who have no clue in wd so the knowing that this is a biochemical stage which happens non-linearly throughout the recovery process and fades on its own is very important for people to hear.

Would love your thoughts about it.

Edited April 24Apr 24 by Fullhealing

1 minute ago, Fullhealing said:

Thank you very much for saying this @Chippy that's why it should to be a topic as there are those who, without intending of course, will throw the current situation into unrelated areas which could do more harm than good which btw happens to often with therapists who have no clue in wd so the knowing that this is a biochemical stage which happens non-linearly throughout the recovery process and fades on its own is very important for people to hear.

Love the hear your thoughts about it.

Yeah it’s huge in wd. And as you say the main reason people get diagnosed with relapse/worsening of their condition.

100% one to put on the list to do.

6 minutes ago, Chippy said:

Yeah it’s huge in wd. And as you say the main reason people get diagnosed with relapse/worsening of their condition.

100% one to put on the list to do.

YES which gives those in the midst of the chemical storm a sense of deep-rooted and irreparable injury that could be devastating.

Thank you @Chippy you know so much, walking wd encyclopedia (;

Edited April 24Apr 24 by Fullhealing

32 minutes ago, Fullhealing said:

deep-rooted and irreparable injury

Except it's not! Just the brain, rewiring itself!

32 minutes ago, Fullhealing said:

Thank you @Chippy you know so much, walking wd encyclopedia (;

Pleasure! And I don't think so, just another walking wounded, maybe wounded healer at times, but we all do that. xxx

5 minutes ago, Chippy said:

Except it's not! Just the brain, rewiring itself!

Pleasure! And I don't think so, just another walking wounded, maybe wounded healer at times, but we all do that. xxx

1. Yes!

2. You are just too modest 🙂

Edited April 24Apr 24 by Fullhealing

@Fullhealing , my personal theory, backed up by nothing but personal experience, is that anxiety will poke and prod at our bodies and psyche until it finds a weak spot--something to exploit. Not weak in the sense of a personal flaw, but weak as in vulnerable. That's why the symptoms hot us in different places and in different ways. Anxiety is trying to keep us off balance and scared, but the cause is always the same--the anxious mind trying to stay in control. It sucks because we bounce from one thing to another, but try to accept its all coming from a place that wants to keep you locked in the fear cycle. And it'll pass!

19 minutes ago, mstimc60 said:

@Fullhealing , my personal theory, backed up by nothing but personal experience, is that anxiety will poke and prod at our bodies and psyche until it finds a weak spot--something to exploit. Not weak in the sense of a personal flaw, but weak as in vulnerable. That's why the symptoms hot us in different places and in different ways. Anxiety is trying to keep us off balance and scared, but the cause is always the same--the anxious mind trying to stay in control. It sucks because we bounce from one thing to another, but try to accept its all coming from a place that wants to keep you locked in the fear cycle. And it'll pass!

@mstimc60 I could have accepted it maybe a little more if I had a background of anxiety, depression, paranoia, phobias, not to mention all the horrible physical symptoms that only emerge when I'm in a reduction process, in the current and previous ones. In general, I see too much evidence of extreme mental symptoms that arise during withdrawal in those who have received psychiatric medications for physical issues and with those who started with mild anxiety that turned into chronic panic during withdrawal, this could also happend with certain antibiotics and with other non-psychiatric medications so there is a big chance it's not even related, just my opinion and from my own personal experience but obviously not 1 rule for all of us.

Edited April 24Apr 24 by Fullhealing

1 minute ago, Fullhealing said:

see too much evidence of extreme mental symptoms that arise during withdrawal in those who have received psychiatric medications for physical issues,

I agree! WD throws us off in so many ways. I went through things I never experienced even when I was trying to deal with anxiety pre-meds. These drugs are insidious little monsters.

16 minutes ago, mstimc60 said:

I agree! WD throws us off in so many ways. I went through things I never experienced even when I was trying to deal with anxiety pre-meds. These drugs are insidious little monsters.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about, in your case for example the previous anxiety turned into a Hydra monster!

Insane what these chemicals do!

The point is for people to know that what they're experiencing is not something ingrained but a biochemical insanity that fades with time.

so sorry for you that you’re still in this abyss.

great discussion on neuroemotions. I definitely have in this process a lot of emotions or emotional states that I did not have before I started to take the medication. I took them because of anxiety. I never was depressive. Now I have times when I’m so deeply deeply sad and depressed with no outer reason. That’s definitely a chemical induced emotion! it’s not that this emotion would’ve been naturally there, and the pill has suppressed it, and now it comes back. no. I’m absolutely sure that is not the case. Some other emotions I’m not so sure, maybe rage, but it definitely gets out of proportion during withdrawal sometimes.

this is a nice video about neuro emotions, even though it does not really talk about the difference, which would have been more interesting. But it is encouraging and maybe you like to see it in this state you are in, @Fullhealing .

sending you love and peace!

19 minutes ago, Nemina said:

so sorry for you that you’re still in this abyss.

great discussion on neuroemotions. I definitely have in this process a lot of emotions or emotional states that I did not have before I started to take the medication. I took them because of anxiety. I never was depressive. Now I have times when I’m so deeply deeply sad and depressed with no outer reason. That’s definitely a chemical induced emotion! it’s not that this emotion would’ve been naturally there, and the pill has suppressed it, and now it comes back. no. I’m absolutely sure that is not the case. Some other emotions I’m not so sure, maybe rage, but it definitely gets out of proportion during withdrawal sometimes.

this is a nice video about neuro emotions, even though it does not really talk about the difference, which would have been more interesting. But it is encouraging and maybe you like to see it in this state you are in, @Fullhealing .

sending you love and peace!

Thank you very much for the video and for understanding and agreeing dear @Nemina on this important issue that can mislead many and therefore can cause a very unhelpful chain reaction here, I have already dug enough about it.

Hope you are doing well today!!

again thank you and health, peace and love back! 💞

Edited April 24Apr 24 by Fullhealing

11 hours ago, Fullhealing said:

Lovely @Chippy I wonder if there is any info/videos here about neuroemotions? I couldn't find any in the search, thanks 🙏

Hi @Fullhealing there’s a dedicated section on Surviving Antidepressants

Update 17:30pm

Seems that the climb out of the abyss is progressing, still borderline but at least not continuous hell like the last few days, there are better moments.

I manage to sleep a lot, whether it's the system exhausted from an endless chimical struggle or if it's a form of shutdown in the face of suffering, it doesn't matter, I manage to sleep!! great blessing.

Symptoms: upper body muscles very tense, tinnitus as usual, poor digestion including twitching comes and goes, that's a big improvement compared to months without a break, stomach a little sore and bloated.

Currently, reasonable mood, body except for the above is fine, completely bearable.

The fluctuations can be very fast and extreme so everything refers to this second..

Overall, very grateful for the short break.

We continuing to march forward to victory.

Edited April 25Apr 25 by Fullhealing

I am happy that you are having a little break and that you can sleep a lot.

boy, what a journey.

let’s hope and pray that this wave passes soon. sending strength and love your way 💪❤️‍🩹

4 minutes ago, Nemina said:

I am happy that you are having a little break and that you can sleep a lot.

boy, what a journey.

let’s hope and pray that this wave passes soon. sending strength and love your way 💪❤️‍🩹

Oh those little moments of relief feel like heaven!

Thank you @Nemina I hope you are better atm.

Love back 💕

2 hours ago, Fullhealing said:

Update 17:30pm

Seems that the climb out of the abyss is progressing, still borderline but at least not continuous hell like the last few days, there are better moments.

I manage to sleep a lot, whether it's the system exhausted from an endless chimical struggle or if it's a form of shutdown in the face of suffering, it doesn't matter, I manage to sleep!! great blessing.

Symptoms: upper body muscles very tense, tinnitus as usual, poor digestion including twitching comes and goes, that's a big improvement compared to months without a break, stomach a little sore and bloated.

Currently, reasonable mood, body except for the above is fine, completely bearable.

The fluctuations can be very fast and extreme so everything refers to this second..

Overall, very grateful for the short break.

We continuing to march forward to victory.

Sounds positive @Fullhealing 👊

1 hour ago, Chippy said:

Sounds positive @Fullhealing 👊

Thanks @Chippy still relatively ok, grateful 🙏

Just now, Fullhealing said:

Thanks @Chippy still relatively ok, grateful 🙏

So pleased. Made my day. 😀