@Luke you can have a look at this :

17 hours ago, Luke said:

The problem is that my issues do not go away and are not over.

Hey brother. Do you have your gene sequence info? If you’ve ever done a 23 and me or ancestry or etc they have the data you can download. The cheapest one i think is sequencing.com

I’m not gonna suggest any fixes that are broad spectrum like leaky gut, positive thinking, gut biome, etc, because honestly its shooting in the dark and you’ve clearly already done it all. but i absolutely guarantee you that there is something in your gene info that you can use to your advantage. Its concrete science, and not gonna say cure, because hell, everyone would be doing it, but incrementally help ease symptoms? Sure. Help your body on its recovery? Probably.

I honestly completely believe that significant changes that last a long time are epigenetic. They almost have to be.

Think about it. I’d love to help

I’ll add I also had a severe reaction to a substance and spent months suffering the worst hardcore adverse reaction effects from it before i touched an SSRI, and initially all that would help was benzos. Most of my symptoms lined up with what yours were like. I started with some drugs, yes, but before that I did a dutch test, and got my gene sequence from my ancestry stuff and the things that I identified and was able to supplement for probably took like 20% of the edge off almost immediately (2-4 weeks) and then my doc convinced me to get on some drugs which at that point i was so done with being told i had “just anxiety” as i lost pounds of muscle and vomited and spasmed and slept one hour per night that i guess i got on them to prove to the docs that it wasnt just anxiety.

I’d say the longest lasting effects for the positive have probably been from selecting specific things to improve using the identified shitty parts of my genes and supplementing for them. I get a lot of shit for it because its different than most people that just want/need to wait it out.

I’ll add that diet changes for me did nothing, exercise, walking, fresh air, did nothing, i did not experience any windows during that period it was just torture hell constant with zero letup.

Yes i’m still on drugs, yes i’m tapering them down. That part is hard, no doubt, but i dont think i would be even able to approach coming down off them if it wasnt for directed effort.

I hate to see suffering. You’ve given so much to this community man it’s so f——-d that these drugs that can do us in so badly exist and are given out like candy. I’d like to help. Feel free to tell me to piss off if you want, but I build stuff for a living and i can’t stop trying to fix stuff

6 hours ago, poulette38 said:

@Luke you can have a look at this :

I did this shawn’s whole thing, know all the mentors, etc. I can answer questions about the program if you want. It works for anxiety, for sure. It doesnt work for drug injury unfortunately. I wish it did. His whole thing is “act better, do it like you feel ok and eventually you’ll feel ok” and realistically you’re gonna heal anyway. Unless you have anxiety singularly as a cause, without other complicating factors, it just isnt enough 😣

7 hours ago, Talltreescoldseas said:

J'ai suivi toute la méthode de Shawn, je connais tous les mentors, etc. Je peux répondre à vos questions sur le programme si vous voulez. Ça marche pour l'anxiété, c'est sûr. Malheureusement, ça ne marche pas pour les séquelles de la drogue. J'aimerais bien que ce soit le cas. Son principe, c'est : « Faites comme si vous alliez mieux, faites comme si vous alliez bien et vous finirez par aller mieux », et de toute façon, vous allez guérir. À moins que l'anxiété ne soit la seule cause, sans autres facteurs aggravants, ça ne suffit pas . 😣

Thank you. I find his messages simple and encouraging. In any case, nothing works for drug injury, except maybe time. If something worked miraculously, everyone would know and we wouldn’t be here...

But yes, his program is interesting. He talks about the steps of cns's healing. It’s strange that he mentions this for anxiety only? People who have not taken medication are not supposed to have an affected CNS, are they?

41 minutes ago, poulette38 said:

Thank you. I find his messages simple and encouraging. In any case, nothing works for drug injury, except maybe time. If something worked miraculously, everyone would know and we wouldn’t be here...

But yes, his program is interesting. He talks about the steps of cns's healing. It’s strange that he mentions this for anxiety only? People who have not taken medication are not supposed to have an affected CNS, are they?

People with PTSD and CPTSD definitely have very sensitive CNSs and a lot of sympathetic activation. Panic attacks are very common along with palpitations and hypertension

7 minutes ago, Catbird said:

People with PTSD and CPTSD definitely have very sensitive CNSs and a lot of sympathetic activation. Panic attacks are very common along with palpitations and hypertension

I don’t personally think these people have an injury. I think their cns is working as designed. The trauma is keeping those systems activated rather than an injury. The answer is counselling, cbt, lifestyle changes, exposure therapy and im sure a whole bunch of other useful techniques.

2 hours ago, Chippy said:

I don’t personally think these people have an injury. I think their cns is working as designed. The trauma is keeping those systems activated rather than an injury. The answer is counselling, cbt, lifestyle changes, exposure therapy and im sure a whole bunch of other useful techniques.

Im with chippy here. Working as intended, and thats a big part of shawns program is literally going over and over that this is what its supposed to do. Protect you from danger. And its working as designed because you keep feeding it danger signals.

Vs wd or injury which is just straight damage and disorganization with maybe a little maladaptive response sprinkled in.

10 minutes ago, Talltreescoldseas said:

maladaptive response sprinkled in.

Which is another reason coping skills are so important, so as to not add to the problem of wd with ‘second fear’ etc

We should have trusted our bodies so much. They are never against us, never. They help one's whole life and all we did in gratitude was to destroy them with toxic substances ("so called safe medicine)! Instead of taking in hand the situation for which it activates the sympathetic nervous system and/or trying to support it with natural products. 😢

Our sentence for this is Hell, and we have no other solution than to trust him now! We had to get here for that! I can't believe it 😓

16 minutes ago, poulette38 said:

Our sentence for this is Hell, and we have no other solution than to trust him now! We had to get here for that! I can't believe it 😓

It’s gonna be ok Poulette. The body is strong. I trust it to heal. 😃

16 minutes ago, Chippy said:

It’s gonna be ok Poulette. The body is strong. I trust it to heal. 😃

Yes it can cure a lot off things fortunately but, to a reasonable extent ; what should it do when he has been poisoned with such powerful drugs without knowing it?

Now we’re here trying to "make it right" like idiots by trying stupid food supplements/good food -that we would never have needed- and subconsciously saying "sorry, sorry for what I did"; when none of that should have happened, no dose of any medication at all ; and that we would be living our best life far away from all his problems!

All because of a non-existent informed consent for everyone and because of "false information" spread everywhere about the safety of these pure chemical shits.

So yes, we can definitly be angry for this!

4 minutes ago, poulette38 said:

So yes, we can definitly be angry for this!

It’s ok if I be angry. But we must accept and focus on healing mostly.

3 hours ago, poulette38 said:

Yes it can cure a lot off things fortunately but, to a reasonable extent ; what should it do when he has been poisoned with such powerful drugs without knowing it?

Now we’re here trying to "make it right" like idiots by trying stupid food supplements/good food -that we would never have needed- and subconsciously saying "sorry, sorry for what I did"; when none of that should have happened, no dose of any medication at all ; and that we would be living our best life far away from all his problems!

All because of a non-existent informed consent for everyone and because of "false information" spread everywhere about the safety of these pure chemical shits.

So yes, we can definitly be angry for this!

in the past i correlated heavily with you.

I already knew psych drugs was bad and quit them in 2021 luckily without withdrawal.

But i had something going wrong with me that caused both physical and mental symptoms.

And I was forced with so many psych drugs for 2 months after becoming bed bound, and I could quit all of them not too hardly except that shit ass mirtazapine that screwed things up.

You can be as mad as you want, it won't change anything, you can think about the past all you want, but the past doesn't even exist anymore, you are living out a non existing moment, the only thing that exists is now, and in the now you want to do what you can, and plan out things, that's it, no dreading the past or fearing the future, just doing what needed.

18 minutes ago, Lighty said:

in the past i correlated heavily with you.

I already knew psych drugs was bad and quit them in 2021 luckily without withdrawal.

But i had something going wrong with me that caused both physical and mental symptoms.

And I was forced with so many psych drugs for 2 months after becoming bed bound, and I could quit all of them not too hardly except that shit ass mirtazapine that screwed things up.

You can be as mad as you want, it won't change anything, you can think about the past all you want, but the past doesn't even exist anymore, you are living out a non existing moment, the only thing that exists is now, and in the now you want to do what you can, and plan out things, that's it, no dreading the past or fearing the future, just doing what needed.

What you describe is terrible. You’re going to be fine again like in the past ; at least someone told you about a gradual decrease in doses, that’s the right way to proceed.

I know it doesn’t change anything. But honestly, to live while focusing only on the present is not to live... someone who is "normal" right now thinks several times during their day about their present, their past, and their future. That’s what it means to live fully (well, in good mental health). So yes, we are unable to do that for now, so let’s focus on the present. But it’s still very sad.

25 minutes ago, poulette38 said:

But honestly, to live while focusing only on the present is not to live...

I very much disagree, people who hyper focus on the past are depressed and full of shame, people who hyper focus on the future become anxious like hell.

The now is always relatively peaceful, not much usually happens in the now, it's the way to have the least resistance and to have peace.

I'm not telling you to never think about the past or future and for you to become a monk, im saying that you should mostly focus on now as it's the way to achieve peace. you can still plan things or think about memories, but hyper focusing is always bad (except analytical planning on things like strategies of certain things, that's something else)

Edited May 14May 14 by Lighty

9 hours ago, Chippy said:

I don’t personally think these people have an injury. I think their cns is working as designed. The trauma is keeping those systems activated rather than an injury. The answer is counselling, cbt, lifestyle changes, exposure therapy and im sure a whole bunch of other useful techniques.

Trauma is literally the definition injury whether physical (think car accidents, stabbing etc.) or psychological.

1 hour ago, poulette38 said:

What you describe is terrible. You’re going to be fine again like in the past ; at least someone told you about a gradual decrease in doses, that’s the right way to proceed.

I know it doesn’t change anything. But honestly, to live while focusing only on the present is not to live... someone who is "normal" right now thinks several times during their day about their present, their past, and their future. That’s what it means to live fully (well, in good mental health). So yes, we are unable to do that for now, so let’s focus on the present. But it’s still very sad.

Living so called "in the moment" is an illusion that may serve some of us but in fact we are constantly thinking a few steps ahead which is our driving force, just the thought on hope for better moments is already the future, as well as the thought of the past from which we learn important and evolving lessons. It's simply a matter of finding the right balance that is lost for now of which will return as time goes on with our healing 🙏@poulette38

Edited May 14May 14 by Fullhealing

9 hours ago, Catbird said:

Trauma is literally the definition injury whether physical (think car accidents, stabbing etc.) or psychological.

It is why I don't really like the word Trauma very much. I think it is important in my opinion to not medicalise these things and give them labels, and see it as a perfectly natural response to difficult times. A warning signal that needs to be retrained to not think of itself as in danger anymore.

1 hour ago, Chippy said:

It is why I don't really like the word Trauma very much. I think it is important in my opinion to not medicalise these things and give them labels, and see it as a perfectly natural response to difficult times. A warning signal that needs to be retrained to not think of itself as in danger anymore.

It's not just a natural response though. It's extreme stress and it's as much a physical injury as it is psychological. And it's not just "difficult times". Retraining the brain is a simplistic notion; it affects the whole body, whole person.

1 minute ago, Catbird said:

It's not just a natural response though. It's extreme stress and it's as much a physical injury as it is psychological. And it's not just "difficult times". Retraining the brain is a simplistic notion; it affects the whole body, whole person.

I think so long as there are no drug harms going on, and the reactions are purely down to life experiences, which we all have, I just don't see it as an injury personally.

I think most have drug harm mixed in and this makes things more complex to understand and unpick. Neuro Emotions are a huge part of drug injury, and we experience them through the events and eyes of our minds, so they can feel very strong and overwhelming but also very real because of this.

14 hours ago, Lighty said:

Je suis totalement en désaccord : les personnes qui se focalisent excessivement sur le passé sont déprimées et rongées par la honte, tandis que celles qui se focalisent excessivement sur l’avenir deviennent terriblement anxieuses.

Le présent est toujours relativement paisible, il ne se passe généralement pas grand-chose dans l'instant présent, c'est le moyen d'avoir le moins de résistance et d'avoir la paix.

Je ne te dis pas de ne plus jamais penser au passé ni à l'avenir, ni de devenir moine. Je dis simplement que tu devrais te concentrer sur le présent, car c'est le chemin vers la paix intérieure. Tu peux toujours faire des projets ou te remémorer des souvenirs, mais se focaliser excessivement sur soi est toujours néfaste (sauf pour la planification analytique, par exemple pour élaborer des stratégies ; c'est différent).

I do not share this opinion, and moreover the fact that psychiatrists sometimes classify a person as "depressed" because they often think about the past or "anxious" because they are constantly thinking about the future is totally wrong and too simple. Of course, if it’s ONLY to remember the negative or ONLY to consider the worst, that’s not normal. But I was rather talking about the fact that we remember the positive and consider the positive. It moves things forward. And even sometimes rethink negative events and have certain fears move forward. In fact, it’s the combination of all these thoughts that helps, I think.

The brain is not an organ intended to remain frozen for a definite period of time; it is not designed for that. The characteristic of one’s evolution is to take advantage of one’s past experiences (good or bad), to cultivate one’s present; and from the two previous things, to be able to envisage a future that depends on them. We are ill now and we can't do this in a "normal way" unfortunately.

But I understand what you mean by cultivating the present moment and I agree with you on that. I’m just saying that the brain sometimes makes small flashbacks or projections and you shouldn’t be overly afraid of that, because it can also help it fully live in the present.

12 hours ago, Chippy said:

I think so long as there are no drug harms going on, and the reactions are purely down to life experiences, which we all have, I just don't see it as an injury personally.

I think most have drug harm mixed in and this makes things more complex to understand and unpick. Neuro Emotions are a huge part of drug injury, and we experience them through the events and eyes of our minds, so they can feel very strong and overwhelming but also very real because of this.

I find this offensive. Following your logic drug injury is also only a life experience. Do you have lived experience of complex PTSD?

6 hours ago, Catbird said:

I find this offensive. Following your logic drug injury is also only a life experience. Do you have lived experience of complex PTSD?

Apologies. Not my intention. Just sharing my thoughts Catbird I’m only here to support. Thank you for sharing your experiences.

9 hours ago, Catbird said:

I find this offensive.

@Chippy is the last person who would intend this.

We're all debating semantics here now. It is not worth getting hung up on specifically what "trauma" means, what "injury" means. We're all here because we were harmed one way or another by these drugs.