2 hours ago, Saar8srl said:

Tomorrow it will be day 10 of my 1 mg Ri. Do I go higher and could this help me to get more stabilize ? I still have the windows and waves and I don’t know if I have to wait 4 more days or not . Does 1 mg ex actually do something ?

Hi @Saar8srl, the next steps are up to you. You can choose to wait another four days before you make up your mind, you can choose to stick at 1 mg and wait to stabilize here, or you can go a bit higher now ( @Chippy suggested 2 mg).

2 mg might help a bit more, and it might not. RI does not help everyone, unfortunately, and even when it does it most often does not get rid of all of your symptoms. I would not expect to get to a dose where your waves and windows stop altogether. Eventually you will have to decide to stick at a particular dose and ride out the waves and windows until you stabilize. I'm sorry, I know it's really hard.

Thank you @SarahMc I think I will like to go and stick to a dose that I van Handel. Let me just wait 4 more days and see if I can go to 2 mg . @Chippy did you suggest this? Thank you all beautiful friends

12 hours ago, Saar8srl said:

Thank you @SarahMc I think I will like to go and stick to a dose that I van Handel. Let me just wait 4 more days and see if I can go to 2 mg . @Chippy did you suggest this? Thank you all beautiful friends

Hey, I think waiting a few more days is perfectly sensible.

It is completely up to you, I would not be too worried about 2mg personally, we can't know how you will react to increasing the dose, however you have not seen a worsening or any improvement from what you have said so getting the receptor occupancy up might help.

Just to note you are seeing some waves and windows and this is a good sign and may be evidence of the RI helping.

We are here for you what ever you choose to do. xxx

17 hours ago, Saar8srl said:

Does 1 mg ex actually do something ?

Yes. Receptor occupancy can still be very high at low doses for various psychiatric drugs.

We don't have much more than that to go on scientifically but the experiences of others here are that it does as well.

Thank you @Chippy and @Luke . Let’s hope I can be a little functional. My only problem is the depression and the fact that I am not able to feel any kind of joy. Question, is there a difference between a classic depression and a chemical one? Can I heal from this and how should I start with setting the first steps to recover. I just want to have hope but it’s so hard to accept that this is the new me.

3 hours ago, Saar8srl said:

Thank you @Chippy and @Luke . Let’s hope I can be a little functional. My only problem is the depression and the fact that I am not able to feel any kind of joy. Question, is there a difference between a classic depression and a chemical one? Can I heal from this and how should I start with setting the first steps to recover. I just want to have hope but it’s so hard to accept that this is the new me.

Pleasure. Time is your friend. This isn’t you. This is drug injury. You can recover for sure. Main thing is to not think you can fix this. Patience and acceptance is key. Xxx

Just curious about my wd. Are there people here who had physical symptoms after 3 months stopping the meds? Could it just happen that something like insomnia and akathisia hits you after 3 4 months?

Yes, my symthoms (some of them), not just physical, manifested a few months after my very quick tapering. The same moment when I became "clear" i felt something, but it was almost nothing comped to everything happened later. Horowitz also mentioned that WD symthoms can starts about 7 months after quitting. It is quite consisted with my experience. However I experienced real akathisia (pacing) 6 years after quitting.

But on the other hand, first time in my life when I CT SSRI, it was almost nothing. Some brain fog, cognitive decline and lack of energy, which was present even before, when I was on drug.

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5 hours ago, Chippy said:

Pleasure. Time is your friend. This isn’t you. This is drug injury. You can recover for sure. Main thing is to not think you can fix this. Patience and acceptance is key. Xxx

Saying so much with so few words.

Hi @Saar8srl I will answer your questions here so it is on your thread. Feel free to just tag me if you have any other questions. 😊

Your message:

I’m new in this wd and still try to understand what is happening to me. Can I ask you some questions?

are you fully healed ?

No I am not. I am still tapering after my reinstatement 3.5 years ago. My CNS is extremely sensitive

How did you experience your wd?

Dp/dr, SI, anxiety, nausea, insomnia, tremors, akathasia, histamine intolerance, bloating, terror, dizziness, neuropathy, crying, monophobia, irritability, sweats, heart palpitations, vision issues, sound sensitivity, aphasia, reflux, phantom smells, body aches

Did you experience depression?

No, though I will get a low mood once in awhile

How long did it last for you ?

Never long

And after 3 months did you still have new symptoms popping up?

Yes

thank you so much if you will be able to take the time to answer my questions. ❤️

12 hours ago, Saar8srl said:

Just curious about my wd. Are there people here who had physical symptoms after 3 months stopping the meds? Could it just happen that something like insomnia and akathisia hits you after 3 4 months?

I had physical symptoms from the beginning, but also continued to develop new ones at years off.

Please anyone .. my depression is getting worse… I can’t do anything.. it this because the Ri? I can’t believe my life is becoming this way. Never had this before . I can’t do the normal things I used to do. Is heartbreaking. I’m sorry for my negativity but I just feel like this and I don’t know what to do

Hey @Saar8srl don't be sorry. I am sad to see things are a little worse for you.

I suspect this is not the RI personally and is just windows and waves.

-You could increase the dose perhaps to 2mg

-Hold and wait for the wave to pass

-Perhaps consider an appointment with Dr Horowitz and get his thoughts. PM me and I can give you more details.

I live in the Netherlands and don’t have access to that unfortunately . Do you think going to 2 mg would help with the deep depression? I start to think maybe this is just me without the meds because I don’t have anything else instead of anhedonia and some hart rates in the morning ..

Edited August 19Aug 19 by Saar8srl

2 minutes ago, Saar8srl said:

I live in the Netherlands and don’t have access to that unfortunately.

Dr H will talk to anyone from all over the world just have to pay and book in for one of his sessions.

3 minutes ago, Saar8srl said:

Do you think going to 2 mg would help with the deep depression?

I could ease things, I don't know this of course. All we can do is carefully increase the dose and watch and observe how you react.

4 minutes ago, Saar8srl said:

I start to think maybe this is just me without the meds because I don’t have anything else instead of anhedonia and some hart rates in the morning ..

This is WD brain lying to you. This is not natural, this is the opposite to that, I think you know this.

How can you be so sure I have been using Zoloft for 6 years so I could have been depressed without knowing that .

I would like to have an appointment with him If you can give me the information. I looked it up before but I have heard that he doesn’t help people out of the uk.

13 minutes ago, Saar8srl said:

How can you be so sure I have been using Zoloft for 6 years so I could have been depressed without knowing that .

Because these drugs, take people with normal issues and emotions and troubles and make them so much worse. Depression is not a disease that you catch. These drug cause some very strong unworldly symptoms, sometimes whilst taking them, and all too often when stopping them.

14 minutes ago, Saar8srl said:

I would like to have an appointment with him If you can give me the information. I looked it up before but I have heard that he doesn’t help people out of the uk.

I will send you the link now in a PM x

Thank you but I also had a lot to deal with in my childhood and my psychiatrist didn’t work on that instead he give me the pills and I didn’t know back then. The therapie wasn’t really deep that is what I know now and after that my life was very unpleasant and I always had to do everything alone with a little child who is know a teenager. So I think I also had a depression but never like this I guess . I can’t be for sure because I was using Zoloft al this time. The consult is very expensive so you think he will be able to give me more advise than I have already received from you guys ?

4 minutes ago, Saar8srl said:

So I think I also had a depression but never like this I guess .

This is the key, not like this...

4 minutes ago, Saar8srl said:

The consult is very expensive so you think he will be able to give me more advise than I have already received from you guys ?

Well he isn't cheap for sure, his thoughts are always welcome though and useful. It is your call. If you can afford it I can't see it would be a bad idea, you may find it reassuring to have his perspective on all this as well as ours, even if it confirms what we are saying. He is very kind and knowledgeable.

Thank you so much @Chippy . did he help you too?

3 minutes ago, Saar8srl said:

Thank you so much @Chippy . did he help you too?

Pleasure, No he didn't but we have had many members go to him for reassurance and advice. Another pair of eyes never hurts.

Alright I will see what to do. I am just so sick of feeling like this and thinking this is my life now. Sometimes I think I better have other symptoms which I can deal with . Low mood and depression make life miserable and you just don’t want to be part of life anymore. When you cannot enjoy your life your child and normal thing. What is the use ?

I just hope I didn’t make my depression worse by Ri. It sure feels like this

1 hour ago, Saar8srl said:

I just hope I didn’t make my depression worse by Ri. It sure feels like this

@Saar8srl I think Chippy is right and this is just normal waves and windows. In a wave, when things are really bad, it can feel like there is no hope and often people try to figure out what they think triggered the wave. But in reality most times it's just our nervous system trying to find that stability.

I know you are worried because you don't have a whole bunch of physical symptoms like others on here. I was like that too at the beginning of my withdrawal experience -- really my only symptom was bad anxiety, but it was different than my normal anxiety because it would come and go at random. I would have really good days with basically no anxiety, then terrible days where I was anxious constantly and couldn't sleep at night. I made the mistake of believing that it was my "underlying condition" getting worse and cycled through meds trying to find the "right" one while only making myself worse. Believe me when I say that was a huge mistake and I wish I could go back to last year and do things much differently.

This is not you. This is withdrawal. You have never experienced depression like this, and to make things more obvious you have clear waves and windows. Your nervous system is injured right now, but it is trying hard to recover and it will get better with time and patience.

Thank you so much @SarahMc . I am in such a bad place right now. You have no idea. I stayed at home al day can’t do anything exact laying in the bed . I don’t even have feelings only feelings of doom . Did you had other symptoms after that ? I hope for a better day tomorrow…