I agree with you @Chippy these chemicals affect every part of our body, including the muscles. I had no previous pain or old injuries or anxiety about it, and yet it happens every few days in different, strange areas..

16 minutes ago, Chippy said:

I have to say, I wasn't concerned or expecting my back to hurt at all before it did. Im also very stoic and acceptant of my symptoms, yet they happen inspite of that. So second fear is real, and you can add to them, but WD sxs are the main contributor for most of us I think, rather than actual anxiety.

@Fullhealing I've been reading a little of your thread. am I correct you have had back muscle problems? I've had about 3 weeks of abdominal wall muscle spasms which have extended into my diaphragm, intercostals, upper, mid and lower back. It's really incapacitating. When it started in my abdomen it was so intense and I think it's weakened my lower back considerably, but it moves around; sometimes in my abdomen, sometimes my lower back and then upper back tension. There's a lot of compensatory mechanisms at play. Is any of this familiar? I've tried massage/acupuncture which doesn't last long. I've tried clinical somatic exercises and gentle stretching but this just seems to cause it to come back with a vengeance.

1 minute ago, Catbird said:

@Fullhealing I've been reading a little of your thread. am I correct you have had back muscle problems? I've had about 3 weeks of abdominal wall muscle spasms which have extended into my diaphragm, intercostals, upper, mid and lower back. It's really incapacitating. When it started in my abdomen it was so intense and I think it's weakened my lower back considerably, but it moves around; sometimes in my abdomen, sometimes my lower back and then upper back tension. There's a lot of compensatory mechanisms at play. Is any of this familiar? I've tried massage/acupuncture which doesn't last long. I've tried clinical somatic exercises and gentle stretching but this just seems to cause it to come back with a vengeance.

@Catbird I think we are starting to see we all are a bit vulnerable in this regards potentially. Is there no limit to what these drugs can effect!

25 minutes ago, Catbird said:

@Fullhealing I've been reading a little of your thread. am I correct you have had back muscle problems? I've had about 3 weeks of abdominal wall muscle spasms which have extended into my diaphragm, intercostals, upper, mid and lower back. It's really incapacitating. When it started in my abdomen it was so intense and I think it's weakened my lower back considerably, but it moves around; sometimes in my abdomen, sometimes my lower back and then upper back tension. There's a lot of compensatory mechanisms at play. Is any of this familiar? I've tried massage/acupuncture which doesn't last long. I've tried clinical somatic exercises and gentle stretching but this just seems to cause it to come back with a vengeance.

@Catbird very familiar and as you noted, it travels throughout the body, the most present is joint and stomach pain with terrible digestion, before I also had upper back pain, sometimes lower back pain with strange places like feet/hands.. It changes and when it hits, it hits hard, stays for a while and then moves on to another target..

Things that give me some relief but not always are a hot shower and maybe gentle stretching, apart from those nothing else works and may even make it worse.

Most likely it's a physical manifestation of a system fighting hard against chemicals that have settled too well in every cell in our body which only time will do its thing here.

I hope you find relief soon.

Thanks @Fullhealing It makes sense is terms of serotonin’s actions on the vasculature. It controls vessel tone and therefore its ability to constrict blood flow to muscles and other body parts. It’s worth looking at John Sarno’s books if you’re not familiar with them. Thank you for replying.🤗

6 hours ago, Chippy said:

I have to say, I wasn't concerned or expecting my back to hurt at all before it did. Im also very stoic and acceptant of my symptoms, yet they happen inspite of that. So second fear is real, and you can add to them, but WD sxs are the main contributor for most of us I think, rather than actual anxiety.

Yes, WD hits us in all sorts of ways,, even in areas where we never had issues. Its insidious--it pokes and prods at us till it finds something new to sensitize. In a way, its amazing what our own minds can do to us physically and emotionally.

6 hours ago, Fullhealing said:

I agree with you @Chippy these chemicals affect every part of our body, including the muscles. I had no previous pain or old injuries or anxiety about it, and yet it happens every few days in different, strange areas..

Yes, I have had the back pain and muscle pain for months and in different parts of body. I have never had these issues of body pains, fear sensation, or body anxiousness. These medications affects everything, but in time, we should heal.

We just need to accept and be patience as our body heals. Healing is real, but it takes time...

@Fullhealing Hope your path has been smooth for you today ,not too many brambles or bumps ❤️🙏

3 minutes ago, Beehive said:

@Fullhealing Hope your path has been smooth for you today ,not too many brambles or bumps ❤️🙏

Today was pretty grayish, not horrible nor great either which I guess it's good.. still hoping for much better days but I'll take what I get.

So glad to hear you caught a nice window @Beehive great to have a little break from the brutality, I hope it lasts as long as possible!

Wishing you peaceful night with good long sleep 💞

50 minutes ago, Fullhealing said:

Today was pretty grayish, not horrible nor great either which I guess it's good.. still hoping for much better days but I'll take what I get.

So glad to hear you caught a nice window @Beehive great to have a little break from the brutality, I hope it lasts as long as possible!

Wishing you peaceful night with good long sleep 💞

The great days will come you've had some turbulent days bit they seem to be settling, hold your course , those days are not too far away ❤️🙏Thank you for your kind words ,the same for you ❤️

Hope today is better for you @Fullhealing youll see more progress in time. Thinking of you xxx

42 minutes ago, Chippy said:

Hope today is better for you @Fullhealing youll see more progress in time. Thinking of you xxx

So kind of you @Chippy today started pretty dark but I'm doing my best to give a worthy counter to this exhausting mind of mine..

Hope you're doing well for now, easy bright day to you xxxx

Just now, Fullhealing said:

So kind of you @Chippy today started pretty dark but I'm doing my best to give a worthy counter to this exhausting mind of mine..

Hope you're doing well for now, easy bright day to you xxxx

Sorry to hear! You are so strong and set a perfect example of how to deal with this chemical soup! You have this! ⚔️🛡️

6 minutes ago, Chippy said:

Sorry to hear! You are so strong and set a perfect example of how to deal with this chemical soup! You have this! ⚔️🛡️

That goes to you!! @Chippy such a brave strong fighter 💪 hope your day will ease xxx

@Fullhealing Sorry to hear about the start of your day . You have come so far and endured so much but here you are still and keeping to the path .Your unwavering courage will see you to the end and your rewards will be plentiful ❤️🙏

So kind @Beehive thank you for your encouraging words xxxx

@Fullhealing

Just checking in to hear how you are doing. I hope things have settled down a bit and that you have moments of peace. Thinking af you. Hugs💕💕

1 hour ago, Haa said:

@Fullhealing

Just checking in to hear how you are doing. I hope things have settled down a bit and that you have moments of peace. Thinking af you. Hugs💕💕

so kind of you to check @Haa thank you!

I'm not at my best unfortunately, survival mode more than anything, the blows keep coming, maybe a little less intense but with such dizzying frequency that even if there is a relatively peaceful moment, the fear of what is coming is there.

We know how it works right and yet it is so difficult to contain and accept, for most of us it is an absurd level of suffering so "normalizing" such an insane situation is almost impossible so distractions as much as possible, when that's not working I surrender until the rage passes.

Not great news but hope still beats strongly, that's what counts.

How things are going for you? hope you have found some balance and you're doing well 🩷

@Fullhealing I am so sorry to hear you are in a rough place.

I don’t recall when I last talked to you. It was as if you had it somewhat better, and now is another wave taking is’t toll? Hmmm. F… It is hard to accept what is, when it is so painfull. I also distract myself at time. Anything that makes it more bearable is good. Sometimes, as you write, nothing can ease the pain and l lay down and pray to God that He will help me carry this burden. So I know what you mean, I think.

We are all here to support each other. Thank God we have each other.

Keep reaching out, keep on hoping that this will pass and better days will come.

Hugs and loving thoughts. 👍💕💕

By the way. Today was better than yesterday both physically and mentally, and so it keeps going. I keep turning corners, some days, it is as if my corners is a cirkel. But I have been fare worse. So I keep hoping.

I hope you will have a good nights rest.

Edited May 23May 23 by Haa

Morning @Fullhealing I hope you had a restful sleep and today is at least a little better for you. xxx

4 hours ago, Chippy said:

Morning @Fullhealing I hope you had a restful sleep and today is at least a little better for you. xxx

Thank you @Chippy brutal still but we keep on going..

Sorry to hear about yesterday, hopefully today is already much brighter xxx

Just now, Fullhealing said:

Thank you @Chippy brutal still but we keep on going..

Sorry to hear about yesterday, hopefully today is already much brighter xxx

I’m so very sorry to hear Fullhealing. It always makes me smile when you’re doing a bit better so this isn’t good news. But yes we keep going!! As Luke said, another day closer!

Burning brain a bit today but apart from that I’m ok. Much better than yesterday which was horrible!

You’ve got this of course 👊🛡️⚔️

@Fullhealing Sorry to hear you are in survival mode currently as well. Hope tomorrow is better. 🙏🏻❤️

@Fullhealing Such a cruel journey ,its like walking the path with a blindfold on not knowing what's ahead of us. In a window we are sure footed ,confident even at times . Then we stumble ,something has tripped us up ,we fumble around on our hands and knees ,we are not sure of where we are everything feels different and frightening, we are not sure if we will get back ,doubts fill our head all the what ifs suddenly fill our head . We quickly remove the blindfold and realise its not as bad as we thought we see the path infront of us its still there all lit up waiting for us to stand and navigate the obstacles infront of us ,because that's all they are . ...you will most definitely get past these obstacles and you will most definitely get back on that well lit path ,nothing will stop you ,your courage will definitely see you to the end ,you've got this my friend ,don't be afraid of the obstacles ❤️🙏

Edited May 24May 24 by Beehive

I'm very bad and don't have the strength to write much, just to say thank you so much for the encouraging words, you are wonderful @Chippy @Marina @Beehive I'm so very sorry for the suffering that is mercilessly circulating among us, so incredibly hard, we deserves so much more.

Wishing you guys easy and peaceful days so very soon ❤️

Edited May 24May 24 by Fullhealing